Hey I live in Australia and I am turkish and have a few questions..

Why do Greeks in Australia not all but a lot have so much hate towards to Turkish people?
Why is it I have noticed Greeks rather than Cypriot Greeks are so much nicer out of the two?

Really the only difference between greeks and turks is religion.. And if the Ottomans forced Islam on the Greeks you's would all be Muslim. Lucky Ottoman wasn't a vulgar regime and was somewhat compassionate to allow yous to keep your religion of Orthodox.

Overall we listen same music, we are same geography, we eat the same food and some of the people from South-West Turkey look similar to Greeks too. I mean some of the Greek Islands you can see from Turkey.

I am not a racist and I don't like racism but if somewhat could enlighten me without being immature I would appreciate it...

NOT A VULGAR REGIME ??? R U FUCKEN STUPID

U DID FORCE MUSLIM ON US YET WE HAD THE STRENGTH NOT TO ACCEPT IT AND ONLI 3 % OF GREEKS ARE MUSLIM

WHAT ABOUT THE GENOCIDE U PRICKS COMITED AGAINST THE ARMINIANS, PONTIANS ??

WHAT ABOUT THE ILLIGAL INVASION OF CYPRUS ??? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TURKISH CYPRIOT ONLY UNDER TURK EYES

U TURN OUR HOLY CHURCH INTO A MOSQUE

WHAT ABOUT SOLOMOS SOLOMOU AND TASSOS ISAAC ???

U SHOOT SOLOMOS DOWN FOR HIS LOVE OF HIS COUNTRY AND UR SO CALLED PEACE TROOPS BRUTALLY KILLED TASSOS

[YOUTUBE]SMut7pF8eSc[/YOUTUBE] WATCH THIS INCASE U FORGOT ABOUT THAT

NOW 2 FINISH IT 400 YEARS OF SLAVERY ! ! ! ! AND ALOT OF DEATHS COMITED BY UR OTTOMAN TURK EMPIRE AND IT STLL HAPPENS

U ARE BARBERIC

THERE IS YOUR ANSWER

REMEMBER 1821

I really wish that people stopped living in the past seriously...no wonder the world is going backwards cos people hold grudges and they let it get to the stage were it turns to racism

but montz they r continuing ther ways look at cyprus 4 an example telling us to get ova it is lik tellin aboriginal people to get over what the british did or to tell astralians to get ova anzac day or sumfin along those lines

see even then the turks slaughterd heaps of anzacs

WELL SAID Vasili

what about the ASIA MINIOR CATASTROPHIE IN 1922 when those butchers slaughtes INNOCENT KIDS and raping and killing women and men.
Muders IT WAS THE GENOCIDE
I AM UPSET NOW SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THIS STUPID SUBJECT.

STARTING READING YOUR HISTORY NOW SO CALLED BRAVEHEART.

they killed my great grandpa as he was saving his family life fucken muderist!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *spits on u ** he died with great pride for his country!!!!!!!!!!! IM ANGRYY!!!! just by you bringing it up!!!!!!!!!!!! my papou was named taso and he never got to say goodbye to his family !

1. Why do Greeks in Australia not all but a lot have so much hate towards to Turkish people?

Read what vasili wrote!!!!! There is one question answered !!!

2. Why is it I have noticed Greeks rather than Cypriot Greeks are so much nicer out of the two?

There is no difference they are greek two.

3. Really the only difference between greeks and turks is religion.. And if the Ottomans forced Islam on the Greeks you's would all be Muslim. Lucky Ottoman wasn't a vulgar regime and was somewhat compassionate to allow yous to keep your religion of Orthodox.

There is a big difference we dont murder people for dirt or land. i can go on and on !!!

Overall we listen same music, we are same geography, we eat the same food and some of the people from South-West Turkey look similar to Greeks too. I mean some of the Greek Islands you can see from Turkey.

That made me laugh!!!!!! ahhahahahahahaha

oops i repeated what i said can u delete this post jj thanks

naw cutey ur great papou died a hero

as 4 u turk, u onli do alot of things similar cus most of it is greek

u wer all asain barberians ! ! ! MONGOLIA/TURKISTAN

2 this day margority of the coast of asia minor are greek decent n wer forced into ur lifestyle

u think they wanted it ??

FUCK U AND FUCK UR OTTOMAN EMPIRE !

BRAVE HEART READ THIS CAREFULY AND GET THROUGHT YOU THICK SKULL YOU LOW LIFE UNEDUCATED FUCK.

YOUR GREAT GREAT GREATGRANDFATHER RAPED SOMEONES GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER.


TOURKOS KALOS MONO NEKROS.

Vasili and Aliti thats enough with the personal attacks!

BraveHeart didn't abuse anyone on here so don't be rude. Be civilised and discuss the topic at hand. You are not doing anyone any favours by attacking a member.


as already mentioned people have hate for what happened in 1821, and 1922. I don't see the point in hating when the turks of today are not the ones who were responsible for all of those disasters, however, it you, the turkish race, who so often provoke the Greeks attacking us all over again, and we are simply defending ourselves. I have turkish friends and we never have any issues because they understand that the times were tough for us, and for them, we cant sit here our whole lives hating eachother when we can all just move on and be friends.

as for your cypriot comment, you should know, that the reason we cannot get along with turks as easy is because the turkish race are the ones who came from turkey and took our homes, lived in them, ruined them, ruined our most prosperous part of cyprus and did nothing good with it.
Let me tell you though, that a Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot could remain friends for years, as BOTH were forced out of their houses in a racial clensing process propsed by your turkish government. Turkish cypriots risked their lives to save Greek cypriots and vise versa.


you are wrong. we were not allowed to keep our religion, anyone found to be studying greek or learning about orthodoxy was killed on the spot. Hence the need for KRYFO SXOLIO (secret schools) where our pure passion and desire to be Greek orthodox never let us die, hiding in basments, in caves underground, anywhere, where the turks would not find us to kill us. I have actually been to the first kryfo sxolio in greece and it is a great remind of how our ancestors fought to keep our language, culture and religion, under the turkish opression.


our music is not the same, basicly what happend is when you lot invaded our land in Smyrni, and the greeks were forced back to Greece in another bout of ethnic clensing, our music came back to the mainland with us. our food is not entirly the same, and what is similar came from the same time as above.
it doesnt mean a thing if you can see turkey from the greek islands, spain can see portugal from its borders and we all know they are not the same!

Easy Tiger.




Greeks have murdered people for "dirt and land."
Do you not know that Alexander the Great is Greek and fought thousands and killed to concure Asia Minor?
Did you know that Achilles did the same.Greeks aren’t saints, we have taken lives and we have also had lives taken. It’s history now. Turks don’t like Greeks and we don’t like them, it’s just the way the cookie crumbles.

I just find it funny that you post this a few days after October 28th. When Greeks are remembering our past, what our ancestors had achieved.

Shorty I am sorry but it was the heat oF fthe moment.

HE HAD THE NERVE TO BRING UP THIS SUBJECT That had upset me and few of our fellow GP forum.

ALL DUE RESPECT SHORTY

wat u mean these turks arent the 1's who did stuff thats bullshit, 1974 they took northern cyprus, 1996 they killed tasos isaac and solomos solomou wat about the big genocides they comited in 1915 that they always deny my nono's baba was born in konstantinopouli and they torchered greeks hense why he has so much hatred for them

i lost family cus of u pricks ill sum it up 4 u

TOURKOS KALOS MONO NEKROS !

SING THIS OUR NATIONL ANTHEM TOURKOPSPORO





Greece

Latin Transliteration

Se gnoriso apo tin kopsi.

Tou spathiou tin tromeri,

Se gnoriso apo tin opsi

Pou me via metra tin yi.

Ap' ta kokala vialmeni

Ton Ellinon ta iera,

Ke san prota andriomeni,

Haire, o haire, Eleftheria!

(repeat previous two lines three times)




English :

We knew thee of old,

Oh, divinely restored,

By the lights of thine eyes

And the light of thy Sword

From the graves of our slain

Shall thy valour prevail

As we greet thee again-

Hail, Liberty! Hail!

(repeat previous two lines three times)


ZHTO ELLADA

Christ. Seriously, there is passionate, then there is obsessed.

We remember all that we have lost but we shouldnt be taking it out on the present Turkish society, it was not them who inflicted these crimes on our ancestors.

How about you all chill out, the kid was just making an observation - although it was poorly thought out and backed up..

he came in and he knew the answer before he came in, yet the turks continue ther ways an example is cyprus

why come a greek site and ask such bullshit when he knows he will get blown up at

You were posting as i was. I couldn't have said it any better myself. Honestly well done.

I remember my Greek school teacher singing
"feggaraki mou lambro fegge mou na perpato na pigeno sto sxolio"
Everytime we'd talk about this at school.

ELEU8EPIA H 8ANATOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1821 XAIPE W XAIPE ELEU8EPIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZHTO OR8ODOXIA

ZHTO ELEU8EPIA

ZHTO H ELLADA !!!!

Ok guys, firstly no need to go on a personal attack.

We can debate the issue without the need for this. I know its a touchy subject, and possibly a good one as well.

I will leave the topic open, and I noticed Aliti said sorry for his comments. Vasili, do the same and let the thread be discussed on facts, not on heated thoughts.

If this doesnt happen, then I will be forced to close the topic. I know you guys can, so dont let me down.

hmmm im sorry 4 the personal attacks, just turkish topics get 2 me deep just hurts some times

First off.. Merhaba, Adiniz ni - memnum oldum... turkish delight.

Now, to the topic:
The Greek 'religion' and the Turkish 'religion', both as wrong as each other, is the main source of racism.
Each side claiming to know about our origins and how to live, encourages disrespect for one another.
Also the claim of divine right to 'holy cities' doesn't help either. For the record, on grounds of invasion and usurping of power - I advocate a solution with the sharing of Constantinople/Istanbul amongst both sides.

Just to qualify, the Ottomans did try and force on islam. They placed an additional tax on non-believers, in order with what the kuran says.
It was probably your ancestors forcing mine to islam which is why many Greeks are fanatical christians today.
As Freud said, you challenge a delusion and the deluded party/parties get further retrenched in their delusion.

The Ottoman regime was very much like Iran today, it was economically behind (it relied on primary industry) and was run out of a 'holy book'. Just ask Iranian Afgan's how much they like Iran and that is how Greeks felt about Ottomans.

I was a racist myself, not that long ago - I was a believer to, as I was indoctrinated into orthodoxy.
But looking at the Human Genome Project, our genes amongst humans vary by only 0.001% AT MOST - indicating race is not real, it's all in our heads.

For racism to end between us, we need to end religion, embrace change and engage in real dialogue about Thrace, Asia Minor, Cyprus & Ottoman policy.

Ok guys, now back off and debate the issue properly.

the reason ther will never be peace is cause of beliefs even if its not religion, u m believe in 1 thing and another party my believe in something else

in this case it isnt just religion

YES!

Absolute belief to the point where you think you are right on things like religion, where there is no proof, is a big cause of conflict.

End belief, end faith - make people more discerning and seek evidence rather than superstition.

Seriously, dont comment on the cyprus issue if you dont know about it. Do you not realise that Turks were forced onto the land by their government? they did not go by free will. You cannot blame the citizens for the faults of the government, just because a select few decided to force the rest of their nation to do something, it doesn't mean they all think like that.

as for all this "turk stuff hurting you deep" you think you're the only one whos gone through death and sorrow caused by the turks? we're all pretty much in the same boat, act matture and stop posting useless shit, its really annoying to everyone.


"na ma8enw grammata, grammata spoudasmata kai tou 8eou ta pragmata!"
i used to love that song, made me realise how lucky we are to be able to learn our beautiful language, without the fear of being killed on our way to Greek school, kai blepis ta simerina paidia pou drepounte na mathoun and na miloun thn glossa tous.

nate its impossible

by u sayin stop belief and faith wats there 2 live for ?

by sayin ull vote this person as pm cause u believe he or she will do a better job

ther will always be beliefs an cause of that conflict will always arise

like communisim they wher forced to believe things thats probably 1 of the reasons it faild

alright if they wert forced why dont they leave ?? why stay and occupy northern cyprus

and im not being immature about it, this is greek planet not turk planet

he came onto a greek site known this will cause trouble, and for a fact mature or not alot of greeks get defensive on the issue ! ! !

No, there is no need for one to react in that way. Any mature human being can discuss an issue, it doesnt matter if it involves turks(who let me remind you are humans too, who make mistakes, as Greeks also do). This person never came on here to cause trouble, if you had read his first post, he was just starting a discussion in a civilised manner.

as for the turks in cyprus, they cant leave, where are they going to go? they have hardly any money, no home in turkey because that was all taken by the government, cyprus is all they know. they don't want to be there, but they dont have anywehre else to go. and the military will probably kill them if they try to leave. its not as easy as you think, try being in the situation before you comment on it.

why u blowing up at me for ? every1 blows up at me when i hav a say, as u saw it wasnt just me who came on and got angry with them for one

2 this topic really gets 2 me u mightn thk so but it does

3 why would you deffenda turk over a greek ?

this is pathetic

i kno a good 90% of greeks who wud hve fired upon this topic

alite u kno what forget wat ive said i cbf arguing any more

im sorry 4 wastin ur time

hehe i loved it too!
and you're so right about kids not wanting to learn and embrace the beauty that is being Greek.
I couldn't be more thankful to my parents for making me go to Greek school, making me speak only Greek at home. If my dad asks me something and i answer in English he will wait till i do it again, but in Greek, even to this day. Kai etsi tha eimai me ta paidia mou. They don't wanna go Greek school? I will force them kai tha fane ksilo k'apo pano lol

@ Nate.

If you don't have faith, what do you have?
Faith is the only consistant thing in a religious persons life. It never changes for anyone or anything.
You may have chosen to lose faith but that doesn't mean that people that haven't are "brainwashed" or being forced to believe something. Everyone gets to an age where they can decide for themselves.

The world WOULDN'T be a better place without religion. I think it would be much worse.

most people follow religion as a guidence keepin peace and order

yes it has caused alot of conflict but religion should e a personal belief and not mixed with political thoughts

Lets not get off tangent here with the religion part. Quote religion in reference to Bravehearts post please.

Moved here

http://www.greekplanet.com.au/forum/index....mp;#entry106168

to bravehearts question something this big will cause alot of hate and wont b forgotton thats why the greeks are rude towards turkish people

Vas i didnt mean to sound like i was picking on you, its just the way you were acting was very immature, considering breaveheart did nothing but ask a question.


lol thats funny, i too was forced to go to Greek school, and my mum did the same thing with the not answering to us if we didnt speak in Greek. it was funny cos we used to speak english just to annoy her, however shes over it now. Im going to start speaking Greek more at home though, and not just at uni or with friends. as for the forcing of the kids, Vicky, come to melbourne and send them to my Greek school, my main goal in life is to own a Greek school. especially since i started teaching at a Greek school! no joke, i cant wait to graduate with my LOTE education degree.

ur all a bunch of fags - there's enough shit going on in the world for a bunch of try hards *on both sides* to speak their minds on religion.

i live by this motto = maybe some of you should take it into consideration =

accept people for who they are and not what they are


none of you are better than the next person, none of you are more supreme. do not for a fact think that what happened to your family members or friends did not happen to other people. stop acting like ignorant fools...

Its one thing being passionate, and one thing being fucking try hards.

thats all ill add

I like where your head is at Patty Cake
Societies as a WHOLE are fucked, but individuals are tolerable, even pleasant, in there own respect.

Whatever a turkish person can do to you, one of your own could do the same, stop generalising. It is stupid, especially in this day and age, all of the things you all are complaining about are over. Degrading the people of Turkey NOW won't change what the people in the past have done.

how can we b tryhards, read my 1st post under bravehearts he askd why we hate turks and i answerd it

what makes it being a tryhard ??

Vasili...
Look at your avator.
That's what makes it being a try hard.

Greeks and Turks aren't the same on alot of levels. But like i said it's history, and nothing we say or do changes it now.
What really shits me off is Aussie born Greeks that think by hating turks it makes them more passionate and patriotic. We're in Aus... It makes no difference what we do here, because we're kseni as well.

Moral of the story is, this fella braveheart didn't kill your pappou, neither did his cousins, or turkish friends.. So why should you hate someone for crimes of their ancestors? We don't forget what happened but it's also 2007.

Be patriotic, but don't be an ignorant idiot.

no1 killd mypapou but i answerd his question n went abit fired up ok dat happns wid this topic ask ne1 that knos me well i dnt lik tlkin about it and i apologised for the personal attacks

wat mre can i say n yeh my avetar is me being a malaka ill admit that lol

ok einstein... if u urself know that u'll go on a freaking rampage every time someone asks you a question (especially about something so sensitive to you)... the simple thing to do is to keep your thoughts to urself or to express yourself in a civil manner would it not?


not only have you given yourself a reputation for being a retarded fool who acts like a sick cunt wanna be without actually thinking it through, and not only were you behaving like some sort of patriotic fuckstick who really has no clue... no really, i can bring you the perfect example if you like... BUT what you did that was really pathetic is put your own people down.

u wanna know how you did that? by portraying the rest of us to be racist fucking fools when in essence there are only a limited number of people who are racist on the site.

u hate turks or maco's or aboriginal's or south african people... that is ur perogative... but fucking hell... do you have to go on a tangent and than have the audacity to ask whose acting like a try hard?!?!


to the rest of you who went off = half of you should be ashamed at the vlakies that oooze out of your posts - the rest of us dont wanna hear it... and unless like you, we are ignorant and foolhearted, there is no chance of sticking up for you..


note - this doesnt only go out to mr vasilli but too a few more people...

Ye that is right and in 1922 it was a world war.. These are things in the past. By all means I am going to respect a greek but if he pisses me off on the street and makes derogatory remarks ill kick his ass(eg vasili). I understand greek are upset and all this but if you want to get down to it cyprus is just as much as ours as it yours. We had cyprus till 1920 or wateva then yous got it.. RIGHT AFTER THAT Point we could of said its our land.. Then yous had it all till 1972 and then we got half of it and now yous say its our land. In the end so many wars have happened in them areas that its not practical anymore to say who owns what. Turkish people are proud people like it or not. Here I am trying to talk it out.. And not all of yous but some of yous are just blasting me like babies. Guys its the net..




Ye cyprus is a touch issue and I touched on it above.




Well some reports say yous were allowed and some reports say yous weren't allowed.. Look please don't say pure passion and all that stuff okay.. Ottomans lets you live. If they wanted they could of exterminated the whole Greek race.. But did we ? no. Like things like yous studying underground isn't big deal every group of "oppresed" races over time did that. Like I said Ottomans let yous live and lets yous stay alive instead of being all wild about it. Accept that was the past and move on.




Alright then if you want to get into it.. When greece was first established how long ago yous stole your music from somewhere. The whole middle east and anatolian region is mixed up and so much claiming of music/food/land has been made...... So many greeks have turk in them. We ruled that land for 100's of years what yous don't get is that yous hate turks so much but so many of you's have turk in you's and if yous are going to deny yous r just naive. Its a fact. Even though it may have been wrong turks may have raped greeks or wateva. A lot of greeks have turk in em


I got told my great grandfather died in world war 1. But I don't go crying about it and blaming everyone else when no one from that generation is alive. People like vasilli have so much heart online but when it comes to it. There is not much ..... I have greek friends and we got on fine. People my age are getting over it.. But the older ones are really racist.. The racism from some members on this bored is amazing.


I just got this stuff off my chest. I don't hate greeks I rather be friends with em and move on in time

Read your last sentence, and with that thought, why then begin the topic i you would rather move on.

Not only that, to say that Greeks have Turk in them, maybe you should do some research into the genetic purity of the Greek race. Many committed suicide than be raped by Turks, refer to Souli for reference.

You go on about Greece stealing music, and the point of that is?

Im going to get heavily involved in this topic, have to do somethings first, then I will elaborate further.

I said greece stole music because some tool earlier said turk and greek music was diff and greeks music is all original whenim telling em its all from history all these diff musics all diff nationalitys claim.,

To reply to some of these posts all in one.


First of all ''Braveheart'', we do not like you for obvious reasons already discussed.

And if your excuse is, ''we are not responsible for the past'', than my answer to you is, if I ask you ''should Constaninople, Smyrna and Asia Minor and God's churches be under Turk rule and not Greek'', obviously being a Turk, you'd say ''that land should be under current Turk rule''... Obviously you'd not be willing to give it up to Greece whom rightfully owns that land...
Therefore your all in the same catorgory for me.... Because you support the current occupation of Constantinople, Smyrna, Asia Minor and God's churches.

As for the comment made by someone, that Alexander the Great invaded countries aswell, my reply is that, ''Alexander the Great defended Greece at the hands of the imperialistic Persia, and he hada right to do that....however, he did wrongfully invade India and some other place which he had no right to do... I'll admit that and not be biased... however the difference is, at least India have their land back, and have had it back for ages. We do not have our land back, and the Turks still occupy much of it... so there is a big difference.''



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Should I also go on about how Turkey held a Miss Turkey contest in 2003 in the Agia Sophia church?
In other words, a competition that involved a group of satantic Turk whores dressed as sluts parading around in God's most holy church?
Can a nation of group of people can anymore satanic than that? I wish I could just put a bullet in the head's of every single one of those Turk whores that degraded God's church like that... devlish whores.

Also in response to Shorty claiming that the Turk army was forced by the government to invade Cyprus, it's a fact that the Turk-Cypriots also wanted the Turk army to invade to help them against the Greek-Cypriots . That is an undeniable fact.


Personally I do not like any Turks, and my motto is: ''Tourko Kalo, mono Nekro'' which means ''Braveheart'', ''The only good Turk is a dead Turk''.


So in conclusion ''Braveheart'', while I respect the fact that you didn't be abusive and were nice to us, at the end of the of day, you are a Turk, and you are not welcome on here by many of us, as well as any other Memeti's that may want to join up to this forum.
Thank you for be nice to us, but you are not welcome, so please leave.. it would be appreciated...