A coach does not make a difference to the way someone plays? Are you serious? Proti fora to akouw auto. Look at Roddick this year! The way he is playing is amazing and all because his coach is one of the best tennis players ever, Jimmy Connors. He beat Federer in the Kooyong Classic and has already beaten players like Safin in the Australian Open. He has definately improved!

I mean in terms of pedigree, You think everyone can be a top tennis player?, you need to have certain amounts of attributes as well as being mentally aware. A true quality player does not need to rely on a coach and that has been proven with the numerous amounts of examples I provided earlier.

As for Daniilidou, I would not say a player who is ranked 35 in the world is a loser. At one stage in her career, she was 14th. She has won 4 single and 1 double title in her career. Baghdatis has won only 1 singles title in his career.

LOL you got no idea. Danilidou has won 3 "Tier IV" titles and 1 "Tier III" title. No Grand Slam, No Tour Championships and no "Tier I" or "Tier II".

The furthest she has gone in a Grand Slam is the 4th round

She's a pretty impressive player aye?

Compared that to Marcos Baghdatis who at only 21 has reached a Grand Slam Final at last year's Australian Open and backed that up with a semi-final appearance at Wimbledon and has won a ATP Tour event, no qualifer or challenger tournaments like the "world-conquering" Danilidou

But obviously, if Daniilidou looked like Kournikova she would get more attention from the fans. Or even if she did all the trella pragmata Baghdatis did on court last year, she would have most Greeks on her side. In tennis these days though, the results do not matter that much as do other things such as what you look like and your attitude is on court.

No, you seem to think that Danilidou is some world-class player who has won 3 Grand Slams and lost another 2, won at least 10 ATP titles and yet still gets no recognition.

Wrong, Danilidou gets no attention because she is not a great, I wouldn't even say good tennis player, basically mediocre tennis player who won't go far in Women's tennis

End of story

Baghdatis was rude in Sydney too. He walked off the court without even thanking the Greeks who went to watch him. Anyone who went to see the game, correct me if I am wrong though, but I did not see anything. Baghdatis definately wasnt his usual self this year though. Apparently he broke up with his girlfriend on his way to Australia so that could have affected his game.

He walked off because he lost and he did thank the fans, We were right behind him but if you had lost a high-stake match with the majority of the crowd supporting you, I don't know about you but you'd feel a bit embarrased and I don't think you wanted to stick around compared to if you won.

You call him rude but Miss Tennis fanatic who supports all the Greek players didn't even turn up to any of the games in Sydney and then because she watched it on tv thinks she qualified to say he was rude.

But as for Daniilidou, I dont think it is true that no one supports her. I know plenty who do and will continue to do so. It is possible that she was referring to the loud fans in the crowd which she might find a distraction to her game. Each tennis player takes a different approach. Baghdatis last year would encourage the Greek fans to chant. On the other hand she might not want that. I dont see why we should not support her. I saw her in an interview on Greek tv and she seems like a down to earth girl. I wish her all the best and I hope she continues to do well.

If I was crap like her, I wouldn't want people supporting me because it would be a waste of time because she'd lose most of the time

HBK I love how you make all these assumptions. Who said I did not go and watch Baghdatis play in Sydney? Thing again As for his rudeness, I still think he should have acknowledged the crowd. A simple wave would be enough. I did not see anything of the sort.

Even if you did go, I saw him wave, we were singing "Ta Rialia" and he was even singing along. A simple wave he did produce but you wear glasses for a reason and you missed it

HBKoulini mou, my young Anna Vissi fan, I said she won titles, not grand slams. I was showing you that she isnt as hopeless as you portray her to be. She actually has won a few events and her ranking does show she in anything but hopeless. Doesnt Greece have a similar ranking in the soccer? Oh but thats right. They won the Euro. They are winners. HBK only supports winners! Shame Shame Shame on you

Ase mas me to Vissi, least I'm going to go have a good time and not be left at home supporting D-Grade Tennis players, she is hopeless as I portray her to be, she hasn;t done anything significant in her career to warrant my support. Greece is pretty terrible now at Football but there is a difference between supporting a whole national team than one individual, not even average tennis player who has had next to none success and is not world known and hasn't won a Grand Slam which because you want to contrast so wildly, would be the equivalent of a national team winning a European Championship.

I support people who I like, who have proven pedigree at their art and are quality. I couldn't give a shit if Danilidou is from Greece, she is not a "quality" tennis player, she is not good enough to cut it with the best like Henin-Hardenne, Cjisters, Mauresmo, Williams sisters, Hingis etc

As for who you support, personally I find it amazing how alot of people get behind most players only because they are winning yet when they lose they somehow forget them. Just like when Greece won the Euro. Before that, very few knew any of the players in the Greek team. Afterwards though, everyone suddenly became 'experts' in the Greek squad and everyone got behind them. Same thing goes for Baghdatis and Daniilidou. I can see all these people supporting Baghdatis only because he goes well yet they abuse the Lebanese community (and remember Baghdatis is half - Lebanese too!). Somehow, that fact is swept under the carpet but the fact that he wins, just overrides everything else. I dont have anything against Baghdatis. I enjoy watching him play, as I enjoy Daniilidou play, but the double standards that I see from alot of the Greek fans is quite amusing.

Not everyone is like that, your generalising now but naturally people support winners, I support players and teams that I identify with and I like. Baghdatis is a quality young player who shows great promise, he's not a Lebanese Muslim which is the main reason why people abuse them and even though he is half lebanese, why does he have such a large Greek contingent supporting him and not the equal from the Lebanese faithful?

The fact is, players like Baghdatis are winners, they are quality players who are succesful

The same can't be said about Danilidou,she is average, not good enough, not a championand therefore doesn't attarct much fan-fare.

Why can't you understand that

She is shit, she is not a good Tennis player, that's why people don't support her unless your related to her.

Well HBKoulini mou, you do like Vissi and its pointless really arguing with a Vissi fan I wouldnt pay money to go see a D Grade singer for that matter but you obviously are and good luck to you O kathenas exei ta gousta tou and Im over the days when I used to go and see every Greek singer who came to Australia like most teeny boppers do at that age. Kalh wra!. These days I prefer to see quality rather than skoupidia.

I'm not really fond of Vissi but I see this as an opportunity to go to a Greek Concert and if you haven't noticed already, they are quite rare in Australia, 1 or 2 a year compared to 1 or 2 a day in Greece and I'd rather Vissi than nothing. I wouldn't say Vissi is D-grade, maybe C-grade but not D-grade like Danilidou.


Anyway back on topic. I will continue supporting both Daniilidou and Baghdatis. I stand by Greek players in good and bad times, and hope they do well. You have your opinion. I have mine. Obviously a nianiaro who thinks he is some kind of internet hero isnt going to change my opinion

What Good times has Danilidou had?

You keep on thinking that Danilidou is quality, she is not, why can't you understand that?

Keep supporting your perennial losers peg and I'll keep supporting my perennial champions

Finally, I dont have as much time as you do to sit there writing essays, so all I will say is that since you do support Champions, time you started supporting the real champions in other sports too

Finally, You concede defeat so all I will say is that since you have no idea about Sports, time you kept away from this section of the forum and head off somewhere else

I concede defeat? HBK you are obviously dreaming again. To concede means to make me agree with your point of view. Do I? NO!!! Can you read paidaki mou? I said I support Daniilidou. Personally, I like the way she plays. She has done well so far, considering that Greece isnt one of the top tennis nations. Her rankings are good and she has won a few titles. Ta eipame. Ta ksana eipame. We are just going around in circles. Boooring!


You have nothing peg, you brought up Vissi because you cannot counter my arguments and look you just keep on going.

"Like how she plays"

What do you like about Danilidou?, what aspect of her game is appealing to you?

Someone who can't even make the Quarter-Finals of a Women Grand Slam, hasn't made the 4th round of a Grand Slam since 2004, she has been knocked out of the Australian Open in the first round for the past 3 years and yet something in your mialo says that she is quality, that she plays well.

But wait, after all of that, you go on to say she has done well!!!!!!

ahahahahaha, what low expectations do you have

How has she done well?, So what if Greece isn't one of the top tennis nations, Is Cyprus a top tennis nation?

Her Rankings AREN'T good, they are mediocre, she has won LOWLY TITLES, I have pointed it out several times but it just doesn't get through your kefali

It seems though that you and a few other forum members want to have control of certain sections on here hence you not letting others express their views and thinking that you know soooooooo much about sport than what others do. I will post in this section or any other section if I like and I will not expect people to agree or disagree with me.

Not control, but when people post about Sport, you'd like to think they know what they are talking about, you have proven yourself right here in this Tennis section and in the Football section that you have no idea and your arguments have been torn apart by myself and niko respectivley yet you keep coming back for more.

We do know soooooooo much about Sport that's why we can snuff out "pretenders" like yourself who seem to think they knew a few thing or two and support D-Grade Tennis players because of their nationality not taking into consideration how terrible they are.

Post at your own risk, because this is only the beginning

HBK argues? Since when? You just come on here to cause trouble kamari mou. But since you supposedly know sooo much about soccer (and you brought it up not me), explain why teams like PAO bring a draw against Xanthi. Why do they lose from teams like PAOK? Id like to see you start a topic on that, and maybe just maybe, instead of making smart ass comments about everyone and everything. you might 'enlighten' us with your so called knowledge that you have. Since you do have the knowledge as you say, why not put it to good use? Its only natural.

I don't cause trouble, I speak the truth.

Teams like PAO, like any team in the world are prone to the odd draw or loss but in the 'GREEK League', it is a different matter where external forces come into play. Mind you if you trying to insinuate that PAO lose or draw to shit teams, you picked two teams who are in the top 10 and have quite a reputation especially PAOK. But then again what do you know? haha

There is no need for me to start more topics, check the history section if you doubt my intelligence.

Then again I try to follow the rule of "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt", in some cases it gets the better of me when people post ludicrous statements, it comes more frequently with yourself I have noticed but what can you do?

As for Daniilidou, try doing more research on her and you might learn a few more things. She plays both singles and doubles. In the Australian Open and the US open, she has reached the 4th round. In the doubles, she has reached quarter finals and semi finals. Oh but she hasnt gone through to the finals. Thaaaats right!!! PAO hasnt won the premiership in Greece for the last few years either yet you continue to support them. Vlakies! She is only 24 years old and has plenty of time in front of her to do more for the game.

I have done research on her, she reached the 4th round, I have already stated that and many other facts that you don't bother to refute because one they are right and two your wrong.

First of all; She reached the 4th round. WOW Big deal, any decent player with serious aspirations to succeed in world tennis would dismiss a 4th round appearance. With you and your low expectations it's like winning the Grand Slam in a Calender Year

Second of all; You tell me when the last team she reached the 4th round?

2003 for the Australian Open

2004 for the US Open

Sorry agapi, but it's 2007 now.

Let's just inform you of some crucial statistics showing Danilidou progress in "Grand Slams" and not Tier IV events

In the last 3 years (2005, 2006, 2007) she has lost in the opening round of the Australian Open

Same story at Roland Garros (That's the French Open if you didn't know), she has been knocked out in the first round for 3 years running (2004, 2005, 2006) and I'm putting money that she will make it 4 this time around

At Wimbledon she has got knocked out in the first round twice in the last 3 years and at the U.S Open she has fared better but still not of world-class status.

Last Year, the furthest she progressed in a Grand Slam was the 2nd Round, the year before that it was the 3rd round and the year before that it was the 4th round.

Now you say she's only 24, yes she is but judging by her results in the last 4 years, it is clear to say that Danilidou is embarking on quest of failure, each becoming worse and worse and it is fair to say that she reached her peak at 20-21 and now she is riding the wave of failure.

Adding to the fact she has started off this year with another first round, things don't auger well for Danilidou, it's pretty fucking obvious that she lacks what it takes to succeed in Tennis but there we have you Pegggggy who supports her because she's Greek not taking into the fact that she is hopeless and even better that she "resents" support from Greek fans

As for Doubles, again "BIG D-E-A-L"l, In Doubles you have a partner which means you have assistance meaning that your ability is significantly halved adding to the fact you have more space to hit the ball in.

Look at Mark Woodforde and Todd Woodbridge. Great Doubles pairing but when they both went their separate ways, what did they achieve? Jack shit is what so don't try to tell me that by being a doubles player, it adds credibility to her performance.

Also for your information, Danilidou made the 2003 Mixed Doubles final, and knowing Danilidou, she lost. So she has gone to the final but one;that was 4 years ago, two; it was Mixed Doubles, three; she lost.

And you say for me to do my research, ti hypocrite eisai esi!!!!

Panathinaikos hasn't won the title in Greece for two years. Danilidou hasn't won "ANYTHING" that you could say could be equal to winning a Football League title.

Panathinaikos FC is one of the biggest clubs in Greece as one of the most succesful. They have a proven track record in Greece winning multiple championship and Cups and also reaching the final of the European Cup, on of the most prestigious Tournaments in World Football. In terms of success externally, they have gone where no Greek team has ever gone and despite their rivals OSFP aka The Gays dominating the domestic scene for the last 10 years, they cannot match not even come close to the achievements Panathinaikos has achieved in Europe.

Compare that to Eleni Danilidou, Greek Tennis player who has won 4 low-grade titles and peaked at 14th ranking in "2003". She has done nothing remotely of typing in the last 4 years besides a fluky win over Justine Henin-Hardenne in 2005 but she didn't last long in that tournament anyway should return to Crete and make babies.


Axxxxx peg, you just set yourself up for more and more ridiculing.

Surely your related to her or something because I can't fathom why someone would defend such a axristi player.

Or are you trying to tell us something?

Like I said, we are repeating ourselves over and over again. I dont have as much time as you to sit here and write paragraph after paragrah which obviously I cant even be bothered to read in full. I try read through it briefly to get the main idea of what you are writing and nothing changes. Ti eixes Gianni. Ti eixes panta. Ta idia les panw katw. Ksekolla paidaki mou! She is 24 but funnily enough she made it into the semis and quarters in 2004 and 2005. Anyway point of the whole argument was that all these so called Greeks come out when a player or team goes well. HBK is obviously proof of this and it is sad to see. I am Greek. I support everything Greek in my culture which is positive or negative. It is what makes us Greek. Whether they win or lose, I dont really care. I will be there to support them in every good and bad moment on the international stage.

HBK, no one and especially you will not tell anyone who to support no matter how u feel about them so stop being such a strimeno and an idiot.

We get that u don't like Daniilidou but can u stop bloody repeating urself.