This map is dated around the 300 B.C during the Hellenistic Era.........
Look closely and u will notice n area called Albania where today's Azeirbejian is.
Does anyone have any idea how is this so??
Also Iberia is located there too

The whole map is wrong, look where Cyprus is. Maps of relatively accurate detail were not created until the Renaissance

nice way to steal my maps Ajax

so what r u pointing out Niko? some dude over 100 years ago stuffed up where Cyprus is, meaning Albania originally didnt originate from their?

heres another map:



its because Albanians are a Azerbaijan people that were giving the Ottomans alot of problems so they moved them to where current day Albania is cause there was a higher concentration of Ottoman soldiers to keep them under control

LOLLL it surprises me boys this kinda topics interest you

thats cause we love learning about anything thats related to Greece and expand our knowledge on Greece and what concerns Greece, unlike people (not mentioning names) who are just Greek by Ethnic background by know nothing of Greece and her problems

*topic moved*

People didn't know where shit was. It was more a vague interpretation of things in relation to another rather then a proper map. Proper maps didnt come out until much later in time

so ur saying the above maps arent proper?

Yes, I want to know what the real agenda or question this topic contains, Ajax?

the point is, Albanians believe they are a Illyrian people (original inhabitance of Albania) and refuse to accept they are a Azerbaiji people like the maps suggests

Naturally Albanians are Turkic. The whole Illyrian thing is simply a desperate attempt to make their claims to Kosovo, Serbia, FYR Macedonia, and Cameria valid. We should dismantle the Albanian sttae and partion it. Skadar to Serbia, Epirus to Greece. Send them to Azerbaijan. Then, Armenia and Mother Russia can finish them off. Problem solved and Serbia finally doesnt have to worry about losing Kosovo and half our territoy to that scum.

poniroula history is very interesting and determines on many occassions what defines yourself or your family so it is interesting to read.

Iberia, Ajax the only Iberia i know of the Iberian Peninsula (i.e. Modern Day Spain and Portugal)

Firstly; Do you think the first map of Australia had Tassie on it? NOPE, or even as accurate as it is today again NOPE.




Secondly; Hello ! heard of The Piri Re'is Map do some reseach on it and you'll be bedazled wOOt wOOt.

Here it is;
http://www.viewzone.com/pirireis.html

http://xoomer.alice.it/dicuoghi/Piri_Reis/...sh_PiriReis.htm

It is said it's a copy of an older version, don' beleive me?!~ well it's in the musium for all to see.

It was e-mailed to me and isn't my writting...Yep i didn't add it on the topic title ti'll now on the topic due to having dial up! was stuck.


There is your answer; by proffesor mini;

Here is an article regarding this same subject which I recently placed on my forums. Simply for reference sake, the area depicted in your map is known as "Caucasian Albania".

From http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby.../albanians.html

The pre-Balkan history
of the Albanians

In his book, "The Illyrians", John Wilkes states on pg: 219:

"NOT MUCH RELIANCE SHOULD PERHAPS BE PLACED ON ATTEMPTS TO IDENTIFY AN ILLYRIAN ANTHROPOLOGICAL TYPE AS SHORT AND DARK SKINNED SIMMILAR TO MODERN ALBANIANS."

Wilkes, having published this work in the early 90s ruined the earlier accepted theory that Albanians were the descendants of the Illyrians. Wilkes is the foremost authority on Illyrians in the world today. An anthropologist, archeologist, a published historian and Professor of History whose familiarity with Balkan archeology is first hand, Wilkes' conclusions lead to the conclusion that the modern descendants of the Illyrians may in fact lie in Bosnia, Serbia and Dalmatia. While Albanians do have Illyrian blood, Wilkes leads the reader to conclude that Illyrian blood and culture most definitely to be found to a greater degree than ever thought before, in Serb lands.

Since the origins of the Albanians are not yet known, I presented the following theory of mine on the origins of the Albanians to some history professors at the University of Toronto. They all agreed that my theory was most definitely possible:

In the republic of Georgia, in the Caucasus, on the terriory of the former Caucasian Albania, from where the Avar Khanate once had its capital, there is a village named: "Arnauti". This is the name by which Serbs, Greeks, Turks, FYR-Macedonians and Montenegrin Serbs refer to Albanians in their respective langauges. There is also village in Georgia named "Bushati" - which is the name of an Albanian tribe ("fis") around Lake Skadar. There are three villages named: "Geguti", "Gegeni" and "Gegi". "Ghegheni" is the name designated to Albanians who live north of the Shkumbi River in Albania proper.

The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, this theory on the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes more plausable.

The original URAL-ALTAIC speaking Caucasian Shqiptar-Albanians were part of the AVAR KHANATE which had one of its early capitals in Caucasian Albania (hence Albanian topnyms there, the possible Ural-Altaic etymology of the suffix in the word "Shqip-tar" and the similarities in national costume with Caucasian peoples - the non-Indo-European Georgians, in particular).

The original Shqiptar-Albanian group of AVARS settled in Northern Romania and subjugated the Latin speaking peoples of that area when the Avars entered Europe and conquered most of its Eastern part. Over time they assimilated most of the Latin language of the people they conquered, but imposed their name on their new subjects - just like the Bulg-AR tribe did in Thrace. This explains why modern Albanian has simmilarities to the Romance languages of Romania. This Ship-tar Av-ar tribe, I believe, moved south as far as Epirus from where the Avars are recorded as staging their failed attack on Constantinople.

So, by the time the Avar Khanate was defeated by the armies of Serbs and Croats and Charles the Great in the 7th century, the Avars had reached south as far as EPIRUS from where they based this failed attack on Constantinople!!! In Epirus, this Shqiptar-Avar tribe assimilated the Illyrians and Hellens of Epirus, as they had done to the Latin speakers of Northern Romania more than a century earlier.

While the Avars were driven out of Europe by Charles the Great and killed off by Serbs and Croats in the Balkans in the 7th century, the Serbs NEVER REACHED the south of the Shkumbi until the LATE DARK AGES. The Shqiptar-Avars in Epirus and south of the Shkumbi were left unharmed.

Shqiptars began to spread north of the Shkumbi River quickly through migrations and assimilation into the lands that Serbs had conquered north of the Shkumbi soon after their arrival in the Balkans and their own assimilation of Illyrians. In the early Dark Age this process of assimilation was sped up as the Shqiptars took advantage of the early Serb kingdom's difficult war against the Bulgars. At this time, they took advantage of the distracted Serb state to move northward past the Shkumbi by assimilating the Serbianized Illyrians.

This process was continued until Stefan Dusan the Mighty, in whose time Latin priests at Bar begin to see, for the first time - expulsions of the Catholic Albanians, likely in retribution for their assimilation of Serbs north of the Shkumbi. Assimilation of Serbs and Albanian migrations further north of the Shkumbi continued after the death of Dusan and sped up drastically and by the time of the defeat of prince Lazar Hrebeljanovic on Kosovo Field in 1389, the Albanians had expanded by assimilating the Serb populace in most of what is now Northern Albania. Throughout the Ottoman Era Albanians expanded well into Kosovo, assimilating and driving out Serbs, mostly in the 17th century - when Arsenius Carnojevic led 36 000 ethnically cleansed Serbian families out of Kosovo. This process was a continuation of the ethnic cleansing Albanians had commited against Serbs since the EARLY DARK AGE expansions north of the Shkumbi.