NSW Legislative Council Hansard
MACEDONIAN IDENTIFICATION
Page: 63
The Hon. PETER BREEN [6.26 p.m.]: I bring to the Parliament's attention the plight of Macedonians who have been denied the right to ethnic self-identification by the States of Greece, Bulgaria and Albania, as well as by Australian governments, under pressure from a lobby of the Greek State. Following the Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913 Macedonia, which was until then part of the Ottoman Empire, was divided between Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria and Albania. In a bid to create an ethnically homogenous nation, each of those States adopted the policy of denying indigenous Macedonians the right to maintain their own ethnic identity.
After World War II, following struggles by the Macedonian Liberation Movement, the Serb-occupied part of Macedonia was established as a Macedonian republic within the Yugoslav Federation. In 1991 the Republic of Macedonia became a sovereign and democratic State, recognised by the international community. But Greece, Bulgaria and, to a lesser extent Albania, continue to deny the existence of a Macedonian ethnic identity. Greece has extended this policy to denying the Republic of Macedonia the right to call itself Macedonia. To appease the Greek Government and its international lobby, some members of the international community, including Australia, have refused to recognise Macedonia under its proper name, and refer to it by the absurd name "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".
When Macedonian Australians declare their country of origin as Macedonia, Australian government departments record their country of origin as "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". This is despite the fact that over 120 countries, including the United States of America, Russia and China, have now recognised the Republic of Macedonia under its proper name. In 1994 the Australian Government further appeased the Greek Government's lobby by adopting a policy that all Australian government departments and agencies should refer to Australian Macedonians as "Slav Macedonians", with the official excuse that it was necessary to distinguish Macedonians from the Republic of Macedonia from Greek Macedonians.
Australian Macedonians are an ethnic community originating not only from the Republic of Macedonia, but also from parts of Macedonia under Greece, Bulgaria and Albania. They find it discriminatory and oppressive that the Australian Government should impose on them any identity other than the identity they have determined for themselves. I am not aware of any other ethnic community towards which Australia has adopted such a policy. In a report entitled "Denying Ethnic Identity: The Macedonians of Greece", Human Rights Watch-Helsinki found:
The Greek Government denies that a Macedonian minority exists in Greece. It refers to ethnic Macedonians as "Slavophones" or "Slav-Speakers". The official Greek position is that the Greek state is ethnically homogenous, the only exception being the Muslim minority in western Thracewhich is in reality a Turkish minoritywhose existence was confirmed in 1923 by the Lausanne Treaty
The Greek Government's denial of the existence of the Macedonian minority violates international human rights agreements to which the Greek Government is a party. [Under international law], minority identity is a matter to be determined by the individual, and not by the state.
In May 2004, the United Nations Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights urged Greece to reconsider its position with regard to the recognition of ethnic, religious or linguistic minorities, and invited it to ratify the Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities 1995.
In June 2004 the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance noted that "persons wishing to express their Macedonian, Turkish or other identity incur the hostility of the population". The commission encouraged the Greek authorities to take further steps toward the recognition of the freedom of association and expression of members of the Macedonian and Turkish communities. The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Religious and Linguistic Minorities requires that:
States shall protect the existence and the national or ethnic, cultural, religious and linguistic identity of minorities within their respective territories and shall encourage conditions for the promotion of that identity. (Article 1 (1))
Greece's denial of the existence of the Macedonian minority clearly contravenes its obligations under international law and agreements. A multicultural country like Australia should be strongly discouraging such an oppressive policy, rather than reinforcing it with its own denial of the Macedonian ethnic identity. If Australia had a bill of rights to give domestic force to international human rights law, the Government's refusal to respect the right of Macedonians to self-identification would likely be declared by a court as a breach of human rights. Australian Macedonians reject being identified as Slav-Macedonians or Former Yugoslav Macedonians. Australia should respect the right of Australian Macedonians to self-identification and should urge other countries to do likewise.
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email so u may attack this wanker:
peter.breen@parliament.nsw.gov.au
Full Version: Attack This Malaka
Greek Planet Forum > Greek History and World Affairs > Makedonia 4000 Years of Hellenic Civilisation
Done, a "fuck you" would have been so much easier. lol.
But I wrote a nice letter instead
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To Mr. Breen,
Having read your letter attempting to lobby the Australian Parliament, I have found deliberate lies, errors and misleading information.
I dont want to write an essay, but you have not addressed the Hellenic view point, the Bulgarian view point, the Serbian viewpoint nor the Albanian view point. Given the nation of FYROM has some 700,000 to 800,000 ethnic Albanians living in its borders; a responsible and unbiased
Author would have not written from the single viewpoint as you have done.
The people that call themselves Macedonians from the FYROM region are in fact a blend of Serbs and Bulgarians, similarities in language prove this. Words such as Kako Si (How are you) are borrowed from the sebo-croation language family and give strong support to the Serbian argument that Slavoskopjans are rightfully Serbs.
A common slavoskopjan debate is the Cyrillic alphabet is different, this (as well as language) was altered in an attempt to fool the people that they are ethnically unique to their neighbours, when infact they are not.
This new language was contrived to suit Titos communistic agenda.
As to the Hellenic viewpoint, the people from FYROM have no claim to Hellenic terms, such as Makedonia (ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ) or Alexandros (Αλεξανδρος). Proof of which, is when FYROM tried using the Hellenic Verginia Star Flag, but changed the background colour to red. It was forced to be changed to something else, because this is an exclusively Hellenic symbol. The EU continues to recognise FYROM as FYROM, not the illegal name of Repulbic of Makedonja, despite America and China taking your side on name; they are not as involved and aware of the history and politics as the EU are, which makes their verdict far more credible.
So I ask you, what more proof do you need that Greeks are the true Macedonians?
Alexander the Great had to say;
We the Macedonians of the Diaspora together with all our fellow Hellenes prepared this treatise in peace, true to our traditions and beliefs.
They spoke Greek, spread Greek values and thus were Greek.
All the historical artefacts are found in the Greek alphabet, the language used to decode the writing is a dialect of Greek. To date nothing relating to Macedonia and Alexander was found in Cyrillic, infact Slavs were not in the Balkan region some 900-1000 years after Alexander.
Im not sure of your ethnic background, but Im sure youre aware that FYROM was formerly known as Vardarska under old Yugoslav manifests and documents dating back from the 1940s.
Here is a postcard from Vardarska, you can see in Cyrillic BAPDAPCKA (Vardarska)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9537/hwfynb8am.jpg
Given this is the true identity of FYROM and its people, Greece is in the right to deny the existence of a Macedonian minority, because one does not exist. However, a Vardarian minority exists, and even have a party in Greece with some 2500-3000 supporters.
To summarise, Makedonia is an identity that rightfully belongs exclusively to Hellenes living in the North of Greece in the one true region of Makedonia. Slavs have no relation to Macedonians, whereas Hellenes do.
For that reason, the people of FYROM should not be allowed to identify as Macedonians.
If they wish to have such an identity, I would suggest migrating to Northern Greece, in which I would have no problems with them calling themselves Macedonians, as they would be Greek citizens using an exclusively Greek name.
I would ask you to address this issue responsibly and give it the respect it deserves. It should be handled objectively and with common sense, the right to identify with a name can only exist when that name is not already in use for another ethnic group.
Thankyou.
Regards,
Nikos.
But I wrote a nice letter instead
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To Mr. Breen,
Having read your letter attempting to lobby the Australian Parliament, I have found deliberate lies, errors and misleading information.
I dont want to write an essay, but you have not addressed the Hellenic view point, the Bulgarian view point, the Serbian viewpoint nor the Albanian view point. Given the nation of FYROM has some 700,000 to 800,000 ethnic Albanians living in its borders; a responsible and unbiased
Author would have not written from the single viewpoint as you have done.
The people that call themselves Macedonians from the FYROM region are in fact a blend of Serbs and Bulgarians, similarities in language prove this. Words such as Kako Si (How are you) are borrowed from the sebo-croation language family and give strong support to the Serbian argument that Slavoskopjans are rightfully Serbs.
A common slavoskopjan debate is the Cyrillic alphabet is different, this (as well as language) was altered in an attempt to fool the people that they are ethnically unique to their neighbours, when infact they are not.
This new language was contrived to suit Titos communistic agenda.
As to the Hellenic viewpoint, the people from FYROM have no claim to Hellenic terms, such as Makedonia (ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ) or Alexandros (Αλεξανδρος). Proof of which, is when FYROM tried using the Hellenic Verginia Star Flag, but changed the background colour to red. It was forced to be changed to something else, because this is an exclusively Hellenic symbol. The EU continues to recognise FYROM as FYROM, not the illegal name of Repulbic of Makedonja, despite America and China taking your side on name; they are not as involved and aware of the history and politics as the EU are, which makes their verdict far more credible.
So I ask you, what more proof do you need that Greeks are the true Macedonians?
Alexander the Great had to say;
We the Macedonians of the Diaspora together with all our fellow Hellenes prepared this treatise in peace, true to our traditions and beliefs.
They spoke Greek, spread Greek values and thus were Greek.
All the historical artefacts are found in the Greek alphabet, the language used to decode the writing is a dialect of Greek. To date nothing relating to Macedonia and Alexander was found in Cyrillic, infact Slavs were not in the Balkan region some 900-1000 years after Alexander.
Im not sure of your ethnic background, but Im sure youre aware that FYROM was formerly known as Vardarska under old Yugoslav manifests and documents dating back from the 1940s.
Here is a postcard from Vardarska, you can see in Cyrillic BAPDAPCKA (Vardarska)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9537/hwfynb8am.jpg
Given this is the true identity of FYROM and its people, Greece is in the right to deny the existence of a Macedonian minority, because one does not exist. However, a Vardarian minority exists, and even have a party in Greece with some 2500-3000 supporters.
To summarise, Makedonia is an identity that rightfully belongs exclusively to Hellenes living in the North of Greece in the one true region of Makedonia. Slavs have no relation to Macedonians, whereas Hellenes do.
For that reason, the people of FYROM should not be allowed to identify as Macedonians.
If they wish to have such an identity, I would suggest migrating to Northern Greece, in which I would have no problems with them calling themselves Macedonians, as they would be Greek citizens using an exclusively Greek name.
I would ask you to address this issue responsibly and give it the respect it deserves. It should be handled objectively and with common sense, the right to identify with a name can only exist when that name is not already in use for another ethnic group.
Thankyou.
Regards,
Nikos.
id be suprised if u even got a reply
I hope I do.
His name doesn't sound very Skop, so his reply will be interesting.
Maybe he married one, and doesn't have the testyclays to have his own opinion.
His name doesn't sound very Skop, so his reply will be interesting.
Maybe he married one, and doesn't have the testyclays to have his own opinion.
A.J.P. Taylor, easily the most pre-eminent historian of the 20th century provides in his book, THE SECOND WORLD WAR AND ITS AFTERMATH, a few interesting points. First, Macedonia was a Yugoslavian province until Germany broke up the country in 1941 after the Yugoslavs (in a rare ethical move) turned against the Germans. The major part of slavic Macedonia's population was BULGARIAN and there was no ethnicity registered that alluded to a unique Macedonian identity.
World War II is also notable for policies like the German, Volksdeutsche, the moving of populations to new areas to force settling in different territories. Taylor lists these atrocities (allies and nazis). He states that, "... there were expulsions disguised as exchanges of population...Greeks from Bulgarian Macedonia..." Who's crying for those Greek victims of the "Macedonian" diaspora?
FYROMIANS are simply Bulgarians or leftover Serbs who for reasons of nationalism wish to appropriate the cultural identity of Greece. History shows this repeatedly but too many misinformed or uneducated people want to jump on this bandwagon. Here in Canada we have Quebecers screaming the same thing. But at least they've been an OFFICIAL minority since the Quebec Act of the late 1700's.
World War II is also notable for policies like the German, Volksdeutsche, the moving of populations to new areas to force settling in different territories. Taylor lists these atrocities (allies and nazis). He states that, "... there were expulsions disguised as exchanges of population...Greeks from Bulgarian Macedonia..." Who's crying for those Greek victims of the "Macedonian" diaspora?
FYROMIANS are simply Bulgarians or leftover Serbs who for reasons of nationalism wish to appropriate the cultural identity of Greece. History shows this repeatedly but too many misinformed or uneducated people want to jump on this bandwagon. Here in Canada we have Quebecers screaming the same thing. But at least they've been an OFFICIAL minority since the Quebec Act of the late 1700's.
ELLINIKO DJ NATE...YOU MUST BE COMMENDED ON YOUR ACTION.
Nate orea ta ipes, well done. what a malaka. im sure he put people to seep in parliament witht that speech.
Sent by A.M.A.C
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To:
The Hon. Peter Breen
Dear Sir,
It is with great sadness that we write to you in order to express our disappointment and grave disquiet as to the content of your speech to the NSW Parliament on 29 March 2005.
The Australian Macedonian Advisory Council was formed in 2005 by members of the Macedonian community in order to promote the culture and unique history of that most troubled but historically important geographical region.
Our guiding principal is to embrace all Australians, regardless of ethnic or political affiliation, who derive their origins from the geographical region of Macedonia and celebrate with them, their unique identity, one which is intrinsic to the multicultural and multifaceted fabric of Australian society.
Unfortunately, your speech does little to promote the ethnic harmony that is the lynch-pin of a cohesive multi-cultural state. Though we are sure that it was not your intention to do so, the contents of your speech have the potential to be extremely divisive and fan the flame of ethnic hatred in this country, a situation that must be avoided.
In particular, we take exception to the singling out by you, of one particular race of people as ‘Macedonians.’ In doing so, you have ignored the fact that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is a multi-ethnic state, comprised only in part of persons who identify themselves as ethnically Macedonian but also by Albanians, Vlachs and Greeks, all of whom also seek to identify themselves as Macedonians. The same applies in other regions of Macedonian as well. We would remind you that people of such diverse ethnicity as Kemal Ataturk, Mother Teresa, Goce Delchev and Greek Prime Minster Kostas Karamanlis all considered themsleves to be Macedonian.
Further, while your speech is predicated upon the premise that Slav-Macedonians are denied the right to identify themselves as they wish and that somehow the Australian government “oppresses” them, you are in fact, denying the other constituent peoples of the geographical region of Macedonia the right to also identify themselves at Macedonians and with those Australian-Macedonians who you would deny the privilege of determining their own identity, we would raise our voice in protest.
While we applaud your humanitarian intentions, we implore you, should it be your intention to delve into this issue further, to analyze the history of Macedonia and its current situation in depth, for it is a good deal more complicated than as it is represented in your speech. In particular, we are thoroughly concerned at such statements as “Australian Macedonians reject being identified as Slav-Macedonians or Former Yugoslav Macedonians. Australia should respect the right of Australian Macedonians to self-identification and should urge other countries to do likewise,” given that they completely ignore the totality of the indigenous Macedonian people. Our Council, comprised of Macedonians who diversely identify themselves as Slavonic, Bulgarian, Albanian and Greek but nonetheless Macedonian certainly feel that more could be done to advance debate to a mature and sophisticated level that could lead to reconciliation and racial harmony. In this case, we feel the opposite has taken place.
A thorough understanding of the issue and its ramifications should involve broad consultation with all members of the polarized and multi-ethnic Macedonian community in Australia and not just a select few. Our Council would be most pleased to assist you in providing you both with contacts and information, should you require this.
In conclusion, we take this opportunity to thank you for your concern for the diverse Macedonian people and gently remind you that questions of identity, especially in troubled regions such as that of our place of origin are difficult to comprehend without thorough analysis, nothing short of which has the potential to be harmful and detrimental to a cohesive multi-cultural society. The nineteenth century French _expression Salade Macedoine coined to describe an insolubly complicated situation is particularly apt in this case.
We take your leave giving thanks for your consideration, in all the languages spoken in our homeland, Macedonia:
Faleminderit (Albanian)
Благодаря (Bulgarian)
Με εκτίμηση (Greek)
Благодарам (Macedonian Slavonic)
Nais (Romany)
Хвала (Serbian)
Teşekkürler (Turkish)
Hristo multu (Vlach)
Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
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To:
The Hon. Peter Breen
Dear Sir,
It is with great sadness that we write to you in order to express our disappointment and grave disquiet as to the content of your speech to the NSW Parliament on 29 March 2005.
The Australian Macedonian Advisory Council was formed in 2005 by members of the Macedonian community in order to promote the culture and unique history of that most troubled but historically important geographical region.
Our guiding principal is to embrace all Australians, regardless of ethnic or political affiliation, who derive their origins from the geographical region of Macedonia and celebrate with them, their unique identity, one which is intrinsic to the multicultural and multifaceted fabric of Australian society.
Unfortunately, your speech does little to promote the ethnic harmony that is the lynch-pin of a cohesive multi-cultural state. Though we are sure that it was not your intention to do so, the contents of your speech have the potential to be extremely divisive and fan the flame of ethnic hatred in this country, a situation that must be avoided.
In particular, we take exception to the singling out by you, of one particular race of people as ‘Macedonians.’ In doing so, you have ignored the fact that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is a multi-ethnic state, comprised only in part of persons who identify themselves as ethnically Macedonian but also by Albanians, Vlachs and Greeks, all of whom also seek to identify themselves as Macedonians. The same applies in other regions of Macedonian as well. We would remind you that people of such diverse ethnicity as Kemal Ataturk, Mother Teresa, Goce Delchev and Greek Prime Minster Kostas Karamanlis all considered themsleves to be Macedonian.
Further, while your speech is predicated upon the premise that Slav-Macedonians are denied the right to identify themselves as they wish and that somehow the Australian government “oppresses” them, you are in fact, denying the other constituent peoples of the geographical region of Macedonia the right to also identify themselves at Macedonians and with those Australian-Macedonians who you would deny the privilege of determining their own identity, we would raise our voice in protest.
While we applaud your humanitarian intentions, we implore you, should it be your intention to delve into this issue further, to analyze the history of Macedonia and its current situation in depth, for it is a good deal more complicated than as it is represented in your speech. In particular, we are thoroughly concerned at such statements as “Australian Macedonians reject being identified as Slav-Macedonians or Former Yugoslav Macedonians. Australia should respect the right of Australian Macedonians to self-identification and should urge other countries to do likewise,” given that they completely ignore the totality of the indigenous Macedonian people. Our Council, comprised of Macedonians who diversely identify themselves as Slavonic, Bulgarian, Albanian and Greek but nonetheless Macedonian certainly feel that more could be done to advance debate to a mature and sophisticated level that could lead to reconciliation and racial harmony. In this case, we feel the opposite has taken place.
A thorough understanding of the issue and its ramifications should involve broad consultation with all members of the polarized and multi-ethnic Macedonian community in Australia and not just a select few. Our Council would be most pleased to assist you in providing you both with contacts and information, should you require this.
In conclusion, we take this opportunity to thank you for your concern for the diverse Macedonian people and gently remind you that questions of identity, especially in troubled regions such as that of our place of origin are difficult to comprehend without thorough analysis, nothing short of which has the potential to be harmful and detrimental to a cohesive multi-cultural society. The nineteenth century French _expression Salade Macedoine coined to describe an insolubly complicated situation is particularly apt in this case.
We take your leave giving thanks for your consideration, in all the languages spoken in our homeland, Macedonia:
Faleminderit (Albanian)
Благодаря (Bulgarian)
Με εκτίμηση (Greek)
Благодарам (Macedonian Slavonic)
Nais (Romany)
Хвала (Serbian)
Teşekkürler (Turkish)
Hristo multu (Vlach)
Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
QUOTE(pankration @ Jun 4 2006, 02:13 PM) [snapback]34775[/snapback]
A.J.P. Taylor, easily the most pre-eminent historian of the 20th century provides in his book, THE SECOND WORLD WAR AND ITS AFTERMATH, a few interesting points. First, Macedonia was a Yugoslavian province until Germany broke up the country in 1941 after the Yugoslavs (in a rare ethical move) turned against the Germans. The major part of slavic Macedonia's population was BULGARIAN and there was no ethnicity registered that alluded to a unique Macedonian identity.
World War II is also notable for policies like the German, Volksdeutsche, the moving of populations to new areas to force settling in different territories. Taylor lists these atrocities (allies and nazis). He states that, "... there were expulsions disguised as exchanges of population...Greeks from Bulgarian Macedonia..." Who's crying for those Greek victims of the "Macedonian" diaspora?
FYROMIANS are simply Bulgarians or leftover Serbs who for reasons of nationalism wish to appropriate the cultural identity of Greece. History shows this repeatedly but too many misinformed or uneducated people want to jump on this bandwagon. Here in Canada we have Quebecers screaming the same thing. But at least they've been an OFFICIAL minority since the Quebec Act of the late 1700's.
I agree, and well said and my hat goes off to you nate also.
If Greece goes to war with Skopje i want to volunteer to be on front line so that i can shoot as many Skops as I can.
Fuk Skops and their fuked up made up culture, language and existance
Fuk Skops and their fuked up made up culture, language and existance
fuck these cunts seriously!
dj nate your excellent nice letter and very understanding what that mr breen wrote did not make sense at all in any way shape or form if they really wanted to make things clear and evident then i should suggest the rossetta stone as it is the key factor and symbolism to all lifes and humanity scripts.
dj nate your excellent nice letter and very understanding what that mr breen wrote did not make sense at all in any way shape or form if they really wanted to make things clear and evident then i should suggest the rossetta stone as it is the key factor and symbolism to all lifes and humanity scripts.
QUOTE(greekprince @ Jun 8 2006, 05:05 PM) [snapback]35664[/snapback]
If Greece goes to war with Skopje i want to volunteer to be on front line so that i can shoot as many Skops as I can.
Fuk Skops and their fuked up made up culture, language and existance
It would be over in a day, as the albanians are already taken over half of skopje.
Just send in 10 tanks to run em all over and be done with it i say. Rid the world of the block scum.
QUOTE(Elliniko DJ Nate @ Jun 1 2006, 02:37 PM) [snapback]34466[/snapback]
Done, a "fuck you" would have been so much easier. lol.
But I wrote a nice letter instead
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To Mr. Breen,
Having read your letter attempting to lobby the Australian Parliament, I have found deliberate lies, errors and misleading information.
I dont want to write an essay, but you have not addressed the Hellenic view point, the Bulgarian view point, the Serbian viewpoint nor the Albanian view point. Given the nation of FYROM has some 700,000 to 800,000 ethnic Albanians living in its borders; a responsible and unbiased
Author would have not written from the single viewpoint as you have done.
The people that call themselves ?Macedonians? from the FYROM region are in fact a blend of Serbs and Bulgarians, similarities in language prove this. Words such as ?Kako Si? (How are you) are borrowed from the sebo-croation language family and give strong support to the Serbian argument that Slavoskopjans are rightfully Serbs.
A common slavoskopjan debate is the Cyrillic alphabet is different, this (as well as language) was altered in an attempt to fool the people that they are ethnically unique to their neighbours, when infact they are not.
This new language was contrived to suit Titos communistic agenda.
As to the Hellenic viewpoint, the people from FYROM have no claim to Hellenic terms, such as Makedonia () or Alexandros (). Proof of which, is when FYROM tried using the Hellenic Verginia Star Flag, but changed the background colour to red. It was forced to be changed to something else, because this is an exclusively Hellenic symbol. The EU continues to recognise FYROM as FYROM, not the illegal name of Repulbic of Makedonja, despite America and China taking your side on name; they are not as involved and aware of the history and politics as the EU are, which makes their verdict far more credible.
So I ask you, what more proof do you need that Greeks are the true Macedonians?
Alexander the Great had to say;
We the Macedonians of the Diaspora together with all our fellow Hellenes prepared this treatise in peace, true to our traditions and beliefs.
They spoke Greek, spread Greek values and thus were Greek.
All the historical artefacts are found in the Greek alphabet, the language used to decode the writing is a dialect of Greek. To date nothing relating to Macedonia and Alexander was found in Cyrillic, infact Slavs were not in the Balkan region some 900-1000 years after Alexander.
Im not sure of your ethnic background, but Im sure youre aware that FYROM was formerly known as Vardarska under old Yugoslav manifests and documents dating back from the 1940s.
Here is a postcard from Vardarska, you can see in Cyrillic BAPDAPCKA (Vardarska)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9537/hwfynb8am.jpg
Given this is the true identity of FYROM and its people, Greece is in the right to deny the existence of a Macedonian minority, because one does not exist. However, a Vardarian minority exists, and even have a party in Greece with some 2500-3000 supporters.
To summarise, Makedonia is an identity that rightfully belongs exclusively to Hellenes living in the North of Greece in the one true region of Makedonia. Slavs have no relation to Macedonians, whereas Hellenes do.
For that reason, the people of FYROM should not be allowed to identify as ?Macedonians.?
If they wish to have such an identity, I would suggest migrating to Northern Greece, in which I would have no problems with them calling themselves ?Macedonians?, as they would be Greek citizens using an exclusively Greek name.
I would ask you to address this issue responsibly and give it the respect it deserves. It should be handled objectively and with common sense, the right to identify with a name can only exist when that name is not already in use for another ethnic group.
Thankyou.
Regards,
Nikos.
the name "breen" sounds irish catholic.
words dont work wih these bozos.
im sure hes propably labor party.
only action counts.
picket his home and his office.
picket his family.
only with such an effect can he stop producing this nosense again.
QUOTE(greekprince @ Jun 8 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]35664[/snapback]
If Greece goes to war with Skopje i want to volunteer to be on front line so that i can shoot as many Skops as I can.
Fuk Skops and their fuked up made up culture, language and existance
u dont have to wait to go to greece.
most are in australia.
the problem starts from there.
QUOTE(Russel @ Nov 19 2006, 05:28 PM) [snapback]67320[/snapback]
the name "breen" sounds irish catholic.
words dont work wih these bozos.
im sure hes propably labor party.
only action counts.
picket his home and his office.
picket his family.
only with such an effect can he stop producing this nosense again.
he propably has skopians as constituents.
the skopians are killing people in greece and in our border.
he doesnt care.
he doesnt care that greeks are being killed.
but if one of his own family memebr was to die,then he would be sad.
how would he like it?
im not advocating violence.
but he should understand the situation before he opens his mouth and gets involved in areas which dont concern him.
its a credit to u mini that uve identified this asshole.
where are ur serb mates when u need them?
where are ur serb mates when u need them?
i dont advocate violence neither does anyone here on this site.
i know that.
but,it is hard to imagine that this guy was to get involved in a dispute which can potentially make him a risk of getting involved in a conflict whic can explode.
does he know what it is like to see ur child die in your arms?
has he had his child die in his hands?
since he doesnt he shouldnt talk.
would he like to be hounded by extremists and be taken down or a member of his family?
i presume not.
so why is he getting involved in a group of people who are potentially dangrous?
i find it bizzare.truly bizzare.
i know that.
but,it is hard to imagine that this guy was to get involved in a dispute which can potentially make him a risk of getting involved in a conflict whic can explode.
does he know what it is like to see ur child die in your arms?
has he had his child die in his hands?
since he doesnt he shouldnt talk.
would he like to be hounded by extremists and be taken down or a member of his family?
i presume not.
so why is he getting involved in a group of people who are potentially dangrous?
i find it bizzare.truly bizzare.
i just checked him out.
he belongs to a fringe group though was in the liberal party in his ounger days.
make sure when u guys vote that you dont vote on a poltical party ticket but vote this guy last.
make sure that his name is last.
he is doing this to pick up votes to keep his ass in the job.
he has identified this way in getting a buncg of votes.
well,the greeks there outnumber the skops.
put him last on the upper house ticket...
this si the least he deserves.
he belongs to a fringe group though was in the liberal party in his ounger days.
make sure when u guys vote that you dont vote on a poltical party ticket but vote this guy last.
make sure that his name is last.
he is doing this to pick up votes to keep his ass in the job.
he has identified this way in getting a buncg of votes.
well,the greeks there outnumber the skops.
put him last on the upper house ticket...
this si the least he deserves.
why dont u people put ur own guy in the upper house?
it cant be that hard surely.
put a candidate up and get a few thousand votes from the greek organisations to put this guy first.
fuck the alp and the liberals.
just put this guy up on nationalistic lines?
why not put one of u people up?
all u need is say 5 or 10,000 votes,surely thats not so hard to get with soem cordination?
it cant be that hard surely.
put a candidate up and get a few thousand votes from the greek organisations to put this guy first.
fuck the alp and the liberals.
just put this guy up on nationalistic lines?
why not put one of u people up?
all u need is say 5 or 10,000 votes,surely thats not so hard to get with soem cordination?
i know this isnt any contribution to the topic, but, russel mate, are you talking to yourself?
oh and Fuck this dumb cunt malaka
"indigenous Macedonians the right to maintain their own ethnic identity"
What ethnic identity? They have none.
They are dispossessed persons and they will continue to be this for eternity
oh and Fuck this dumb cunt malaka
"indigenous Macedonians the right to maintain their own ethnic identity"
What ethnic identity? They have none.
They are dispossessed persons and they will continue to be this for eternity
when i rememebr something i have to say it.ti na kano,ellinas ime.
run a candidate guys.
it cant be that hard.
put forward a candidate and get all the greek associations to support.
the guy or woman will not be either labor or liberal.
the issue would be exclusively over this issue and this candidate mentioned,mr breen.
who knows,our guy may in fact have the balance of power?
its all possible in this mixed up world..
fuck the poustara..
run a candidate guys.
it cant be that hard.
put forward a candidate and get all the greek associations to support.
the guy or woman will not be either labor or liberal.
the issue would be exclusively over this issue and this candidate mentioned,mr breen.
who knows,our guy may in fact have the balance of power?
its all possible in this mixed up world..
fuck the poustara..
THAT DICKEHEAD HE SHOULD START READING ABOUT ALEXANDER THE GREAT ONCE HE READ IT HE SHOULD RELIZE THAT MACEDONIA IS GREEK.
HE IS AN UNEDUCATED MP MAYBE HE DOSE'NT KNOW HOW TO READ EITHER MALAKAS
HE IS AN UNEDUCATED MP MAYBE HE DOSE'NT KNOW HOW TO READ EITHER MALAKAS
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THAT DICKEHEAD HE SHOULD START READING ABOUT ALEXANDER THE GREAT ONCE HE READ IT HE SHOULD RELIZE THAT MACEDONIA IS GREEK.
HE IS AN UNEDUCATED MP MAYBE HE DOSE'NT KNOW HOW TO READ EITHER MALAKAS
aliti, enjoy this and maybe this politician can get an education watching this
Discovery Channel - Megas Aleksandros, Me Ellinikous ypotitlous
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http://rapidshare.com/files/3393881/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392150/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392153/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392155/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392547/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392150/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392153/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392155/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/3392547/Alexander.by.pOLoS.part5.rar
i've watched it , great understand , i don't know why with comon sense people can figure out the truth , rather than being fed bullshit.
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