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Freemasonry is a fraternal organization, existing in various forms worldwide, whose membership has shared moral and metaphysical ideals and in most of its branches requires a constitutional declaration of belief in a Supreme Being.[1]

Secondly

To start with the first, it is widely believed that a Jewish influence was at work in Masonry, right from its origins, since a great part of Masonic ritual and symbolism contains elements coming from Jewish tradition, whether biblical or kabbalistic. The symbolism of the Temple of Solomon is central in Masonry, so much so that, in some Nordic lodges, the Great Master bears the title of Vicarius Salomonis. The six pointed star, also called 'Seal of Solomon', is found among the main Masonic emblems. The legend of Hiram, to which we shall return, is of Jewish origin, just as, undeniably, are many of the 'pass-words' of the various Masonic degrees, such as, for example, Tubalcain, Shibboleth, Giblim, Jachin, and Boaz.



As for the character to whom a decisive role is attributed in the organisation of the inner aspect of Anglo-Saxon Masonry - namely Elias Ashmole - he was a Jew.

If you want a good read on the relationship between Freemasonry and the Jews, have a read here.

http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id60.html


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post May 2 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(EOKA ASSASSIN @ May 2 2007, 01:03 PM) [snapback]92962[/snapback]

German Nazism?

I don't support Hitler...

Greek Nazi? yes...

Nationalism doesn't go against Christiainity...
If anything it's goes with Christianity because it's anti-leftist, and Anti-Western (generally).... the 2 things that oppose Christianity... wink.gif

The Nazi's were a political party buddy, the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Firstly, it was supposed to be leftist, it was supposedly a socialist party and therefore was in no way anti-leftist or anti-Western. Haven't you heard of the incredibly famous policy of "National Socialism"? Secondly, Christianity is not anti-Western, what are you on? Thirdly, it completely warped the idea of Christianity during it's reign. The Nazi's would have had you believe that Jesus was some kind of Aryan warrior who waged war against the Jews (Jesus is the one you worship, he's a Jew) so if you believe in Nazism you reject your traditional Christian beliefs.

You have no clue, give up


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post May 2 2007, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(niko @ May 2 2007, 02:06 PM) [snapback]92984[/snapback]

The Nazi's were a political party buddy, the National Socialist German Workers' Party.


If you knew anything, you'd realise Metaxas was also a right-wing fascist.
Nazi signs and Nazi alutes dont just apply to Hitler, Mexatas supporters also did the Nazi salute, and the Nazi sign was an ancient Greek symbol...


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Firstly, it was supposed to be leftist, it was supposedly a socialist party and therefore was in no way anti-leftist or anti-Western.


Really? hence why Fascists dictators jailed communists and leftists? lol


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Haven't you heard of the incredibly famous policy of "National Socialism"?


Do you know the difference between economics and ideology?
Nationalism is the Ideology...



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Secondly, Christianity is not anti-Western, what are you on?


What are you one about?
If you look at Western secularism, you can see that the Western secular way of life greatly apposes and contridicts that of Christiainity... maybe you should learn about Christianity propaly before baggin me..



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You have no clue, give up


I'm not sure you do... maybe when you take the time to study Christianty, your comments on it may make sense wink.gif

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post May 2 2007, 02:38 PM
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What are you one about?
If you look at Western secularism, you can see that the Western secular way of life greatly apposes that of Christiainity... maybe you should learn about Christianity propely before baggin me..



Just to further on this point, Western Secularist Greeks generally are more towards the West and Athens, while Strong Greek Orthodox Christians lean toward Constantinople and the East more...


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post May 2 2007, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(EOKA ASSASSIN @ May 2 2007, 02:33 PM) [snapback]92985[/snapback]

If you knew anything, you'd realise Metaxas was also a right-wing fascist.
Nazi signs and Nazi alutes dont just apply to Hitler, Mexatas supporters also did the Nazi salute, and the Nazi sign was an ancient Greek symbol...

The Swastika was not an ancient Greek symbol, it is a far more ancient symbol that has been used before Greece. As for Nazi signs and salutes, yes they do only apply to Nazi's. Fascist salutes apply to fascists

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Really? hence why Fascists dictators jailed communists and leftists? lol

We're talking about Nazi's, not fascists per se

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Do you know the difference between economics and ideology?
Nationalism is the Ideology...

National Socialism is another name for Nazism which is another name for the Nazi ideology. Do some research on the REAL WORLD, not your pseudo fucking realm of fiction

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If you look at Western secularism, you can see that the Western secular way of life greatly apposes and contridicts that of Christiainity... maybe you should learn about Christianity propaly before baggin me..
I'm not sure you do... maybe when you take the time to study Christianty, your comments on it may make sense wink.gif

Which is why most of the Western world is Christian?

Get a clue

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And how much of the Western World are practicing 'Christians'.
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post May 2 2007, 03:41 PM
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That would be a good point if it was relevant. Umbrella Assassin claims that the West is anti-Christian, I simply am stating the fact that it is far from it


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QUOTE(niko @ May 2 2007, 03:33 PM) [snapback]93002[/snapback]

The Swastika was not an ancient Greek symbol, it is a far more ancient symbol that has been used before Greece. As for Nazi signs and salutes, yes they do only apply to Nazi's. Fascist salutes apply to fascists



I didn't say that wasn't the case, what I meant was, it was used in ancient Greece... prehaps I shoulda been more clearer


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As for Nazi signs and salutes, yes they do only apply to Nazi's. Fascist salutes apply to fascists
We're talking about Nazi's, not fascists per se



Nazi's are Fascists...

and Fascist's today often use the Nazi symbol not as a pro-Hilter symbol specifically, but a general fascist symbol... Kapish


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As for Nazi salutes, yes they do only apply to Nazi's, Fascist salutes apply to fascists
We're talking about Nazi's


Fascist salutes and Nazi salutes are the exact same thing LOL
What are you talking about...



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National Socialism is another name for Nazism which is another name for the Nazi ideology. Do some research on the REAL WORLD, not your pseudo fucking realm of fiction


Um I'm not sure that you realise buddy, but actually other fascist leaders were Nationalist Socialists not just the Nazi party of Hitler..
oh and um regardles of where the actual name ''Nationalist Socialism'' came from, the actual ideology ''Nationalist Socialism'' was used before Hitler....



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Which is why most of the Western world is Christian?

Get a clue



And like Mini said, how many practise it?
The Christian way of life and the Western way of life clearly oppose each other, and although Western leaders don't condemn Christianity as a religion, clearly Western secularism does appose Christianity...
Western secularism Flushes out Christianity...
however since you probably haven't read a page of the bible, you wouldn't know..

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QUOTE(EOKA ASSASSIN @ May 2 2007, 04:17 PM) [snapback]93027[/snapback]

i didn't say that wasn't the case, what I meant was, it was used in ancient Greece... prehaps, I shoulda been more clearer

More clearer, of course

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Nazi salutes only apply to Nazi's? really?

Is that why Julius Caesar even did the Nazi salute? lol

Nazi's did not exist when Caesar was around (obviously), therefore how could Caesar engage in Nazi activity. Actions, symbols, activities, anything that comes under the NAZI category are exclusively to do with NAZI'S. You cannot call Mussolini's black shirts NAZI'S just because they were fascists. They were not part of the NAZI party. Do you understand?

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ps. Nazi's are Fascists!

No shit

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and Fascist's today often use the Nazi symbol not as a pro-Hilter symbol specifically, but a general fascist symbol... Kapish

If by the "Nazi symbol" you mean the Swastika, it is used by many Hindu's and Buddhists also. Does this mean they are using a Nazi symbol? No, just as the A of the English alphabet and the Α of the Greek alphabet are different, so are the Swastika of the Nazi party and every other group that uses it. Do you want me to put it in play school language for you?

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Fascist salutes and Nazi salutes, are the exact same thing LOL

Then why do you call one a fascist salute and one a Nazi salute?

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Um I'm not sure that you realise buddy, but actually most fascists were Nationalist Socialists not just the Nazi party of Hitler..
oh and um regardles of where the actual name ''Nationalist Socialism'' came from, the actual ideology ''Nationalist Socialism'' was used before Hitler....

OK, firstly, practitioners of National Socialism are not Nationalist Socialists OK? There is no such thing as "Nationalist Socialism", you just made that up.

Secondly, National Socialism as a political ideology is exclusive to the Nazi party. That was official party ideology. Nazi Germany was officially a subscriber to National Socialism. You can't change history, don't fuck with me on this because you're wrong.

As for your last point, "National(ist) Socialism" did not exist in the form that it did when the Nazi's were implementing it. There was National Socialism in Communist Russia but this had nothing to do with anything vaguely similar to National Socialism circa 1930's/1940's Germany and there was a political party in Austria by a similar name but as a political ideology, it was NOT used before Hitler's time

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And like Mini said, how many practise it?
The Christian way of life and the Western way of life clearly oppose each other, and although Western leaders don't condemn Christianity as a religion, clearly Western secularism does appose Christianity...
Western secularism Flushes out Christianity...
however since you probably haven't read a page of the bible, you wouldn't know..

THE WEST DOES NOT ACTIVELY OPPOSE THE CHURCH, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? It's not about degrees, fine lines and fucking interpretation, the Western world is not ANTI-CHRISTIANITY.


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THE WEST DOES NOT ACTIVELY OPPOSE THE CHURCH, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? It's not about degrees, fine lines and fucking interpretation, the Western world is not ANTI-CHRISTIANITY.


I agree with this, the Western world isn't anti-Christianity. In the Western world those who are anti-Christian are a minority.

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QUOTE(niko @ May 2 2007, 04:38 PM) [snapback]93036[/snapback]

No shit
If by the "Nazi symbol" you mean the Swastika, it is used by many Hindu's and Buddhists also. Does this mean they are using a Nazi symbol? No, just as the A of the English alphabet and the Α of the Greek alphabet are different, so are the Swastika of the Nazi party and every other group that uses it. Do you want me to put it in play school language for you?



And what I am saying is many Fascist groups use the Swastika symbol as a symbol for general fascism not neccessarily in support of the German Nazi party, so i don't see what you even brought up this point in the first place...



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Then why do you call one a fascist salute and one a Nazi salute?


They are the same thing... One was done by the Nazi party of German and the other is done by Fascists (who basically have the same ideology as Nazi's German Party)...
They are the exact same salute..



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Secondly, National Socialism as a political ideology is exclusive to the Nazi party. That was official party ideology. Nazi Germany was officially a subscriber to National Socialism. You can't change history, don't fuck with me on this because you're wrong.



National Socialism is exclusive to the NAZI party only? lol

Than what was Ante Pavelic of Croatia?

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What about the (NSB) ''National Socialist Movement in the Netherlands'' party formed in 1931??

What about the National Socialist Movement (NSM) in Britian?

So don't tell me that National Socialism in only exclusive to the German Nazi party and there is no such ideology as National Socialism outside the NAZI party... LOL

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QUOTE(EOKA ASSASSIN @ May 2 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]93079[/snapback]

And what I am saying is many Fascist groups use the Swastika symbol as a symbol for general fascism not neccessarily in support of the German Nazi party, so i don't see what you even brought up this point in the first place..

The Swastika as used by Nazi's is a Nazi symbol. The Swastika as used by fascists is a fascist symbol. Ditto for the straight hand salute. Just like shaking hands is rude in some cultures and in others is a greeting. Do you understand that?

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National Socialism is exclusive to the NAZI party only? lol

Than what was Ante Pavelic of Croatia?

Alright, clearly you have no concept of NATIONAL SOCIALISM as a concept. Just because you searched 'national socialist' on Wikipedia does not mean you have an idea, nor does it mean that you have any notion of what you're talking about. Just because his Wikipedia article says the two words in the same sentence, doesn't mean he's anything to do with Nazism or NATIONAL SOCIALISM. As you stated quite plainly, he was part of a NATIONAL (e.g. country wide) socialist/fascist movement. Nothing to do with the concept of "NATIONAL SOCIALISM" in Nazi Germany

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What about the (NSB) ''National Socialist Movement in the Netherlands'' party formed in 1931??

What about the National Socialist Movement (NSM) in Britian?

So don't tell me that National Socialism in only exclusive to the German Nazi party and there is no such ideology as National Socialism outside the NAZI party... LOL

You don't even know what the concept of National Socialism is and you're boring. You have no concept of understanding so I'm going to give this one up and just hope one day you realise that you're entirely and utterly wrong here.


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Alright, clearly you have no concept of NATIONAL SOCIALISM as a concept. Just because you searched 'national socialist' on Wikipedia does not mean you have an idea, nor does it mean that you have any notion of what you're talking about. Just because his Wikipedia article says the two words in the same sentence, doesn't mean he's anything to do with Nazism or NATIONAL SOCIALISM. As you stated quite plainly, he was part of a NATIONAL (e.g. country wide) socialist/fascist movement. Nothing to do with the concept of "NATIONAL SOCIALISM" in Nazi Germany



So in other words if a party in Britian or Netherlands calls itself ''National Socialist movement'' or whatever than according to Niko it still has nothing to do with 'National Socialism' as an ideology...um, yeah ok... lol
So don't tell me other National Socialist Parties have nothing to do with National Socialism as an ideology... National Socialism is not just the NAZI party of Germany, it is an ideology as well.




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You don't even know what the concept of National Socialism is and you're boring. You have no concept of understanding so I'm going to give this one up and just hope one day you realise that you're entirely and utterly wrong here.


Unfortunetely you don't seem too...

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QUOTE(EOKA ASSASSIN @ May 4 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]93524[/snapback]

So in other words if a party in Britian or Netherlands calls itself ''National Socialist movement'' or whatever than according to Niko it still has nothing to do with 'National Socialism' as an ideology...um, yeah ok... lol
So don't tell me other National Socialist Parties have nothing to do with National Socialism as an ideology... National Socialism is not just the NAZI party of Germany, it is an ideology as well.
Unfortunetely you don't seem too...

Oh my God, fuck me dead. You've got to be the most idiotic person I've ever come across. National Socialism (also known as Nazism) does not have anything to do with some other countries NATIONAL socialist movement. One is an ideology, one is the name of a group. If you know more than me on this issue, please outline what NATIONAL SOCIALISM A.K.A NAZISM is. Do it and then tell me how this is exactly the same as any other supposed example of "National Socialism" you've given here, remembering the fact that a group that calls themselves the National Socialist Army do not necessarily follow the principles of the IDEOLOGY that is NATIONAL SOCIALISM

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QUOTE(JIMMYJUMP @ May 2 2007, 12:58 PM) [snapback]92958[/snapback]


QUOTE(GrEeK_GoD @ May 1 2007, 06:59 PM)

Jesus was a JEW.....FACT

Jesus mother was a Jew.....FACT

The guy who slapped Jesus mother was also a Jew (Joseph).....FACT

Jesus Christ = JEW

Christianity = Juidaism



So your admitting Jesus did exist?

If you look at the roots of Masonisn, its an offshoot of Judaism, does that mean Masonites are Jewsish too?


Just a clarrification. Christianity is a CONTINUATION of Judaism, and is meant for EVERYONE , including the Jews (not just the Gentiles/non-Jews)

Also Masonism is not a religion (or so it claims) and is not an offshoot of Judaism (there may be many Jews involved but there are also many non-Jews involved too). Its a "Society" (and "not a secret society ... but a society of secrets" as they like to state)


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It is a known fact and stated in the bible that he had friends who were prostitutes the most well known one was Mary Magdalene.


It's actually a most well known fact that Mary Magdeline was NOT a prostitiute. If you read carefully it's referring to another woman altogether (Mary Magdalene is never mentioned as the prostitute or hinted on it)

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Also Masonism is not a religion (or so it claims) and is not an offshoot of Judaism (there may be many Jews involved but there are also many non-Jews involved too). Its a "Society" (and "not a secret society ... but a society of secrets" as they like to state)




Im not saying that the Masons are Jewish because of the percentage of members that are Jewish, there is research into the Masonic roots prior to that of the 1800's when most people thought the Freemasons where 'started'.


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Im not saying that the Masons are Jewish because of the percentage of members that are Jewish, there is research into the Masonic roots prior to that of the 1800's when most people thought the Freemasons where 'started'.


I agree. The roots of Masonic ideas and ambitions/goals, probably date to well into the times of the Old Testament (obviously not called Masons then wink.gif )- some even say these roots even stem back to the time of Cain when he murdered his brother!!!- possibly as a means to "get even" with God, who knows? smile.gif
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