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Minimalistix
post Jun 16 2007, 11:14 AM
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocalan

Abdullah "Apo" Öcalan born April 4, 1948), is the founding leader of the Kurdish militant group Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) that is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by a number of states and organizations, including the USA, NATO and the EU.

PKK

In 1984 the PKK initiated a campaign of armed conflict comprising terrorist attacks against government forces and civilians[5][6][7][8] in Iraq, Iran, and Turkey in order to create an independent Kurdish state. More than 30,000 people were killed mostly by attacks of PKK against civilian targets and also their clashes with Turkish Army since 1984.

PKK has been known as one of the terrorist organisations by several states and international organizations such as Turkey,[9] the United States,[10] the European Union, Syria,[11] Canada, Iran and Australia.

Capture and trial

Until 1998 Öcalan was harboured by Syria. As the situation deteriorated in Turkey, the Turkish government openly threatened Syria over its support for the PKK. As a result of this, the Syrian government forced Öcalan to leave the country, but did not hand him to the Turkish authorities.

Öcalan went to Russia first and from there he moved to various countries, including Italy and Greece. In 1998 the Turkish government requested the extradition of Öcalan from Italy where he was at the time. He was at that time defended by the high-profile German attorney, Britta Böhler who argued that he fought a legitimate struggle against the oppression of his people. He was captured in Kenya on February 15, 1999, whilst being transferred from the Greek embassy to the Nairobi international airport, in an operation by the Turkish National Intelligence Agency (MIT). He was then flown back to Turkey for trial. His capture led thousands of protesting Kurds to seize Greek embassies around the world.[12]

Since his capture Öcalan has been held under solitary confinement as the only prisoner on the İmralı Island in the Turkish Sea of Marmara. Despite the fact that all other prisoners formerly at İmralı were transferred to other prisons, there are still over 1000 Turkish military personnel stationed there guarding him. He was sentenced to death, but this sentence was commuted to life-long aggravated imprisonment when the death penalty was abolished in Turkey in August 2002.[13]

Since his imprisonment there have been long running campaigns by Kurdish exile groups and others in various countries demanding his release although most observers regard this as extremely unlikely to happen in the forseeable future given the attitude of the Turkish authorities and large sections of the Turkish public. Indeed the decision not to proceed with the death sentence was met by protests by Turkish nationalist groups. This is in sharp contrast to the view taken by Kurdish activists who regard him as their leader, a political prisoner and even a man of peace.[citation needed]

Though it could not have been possible to obtain a hair sample from Öcalan, due to his visits being held behind a glass screen, even when talking to his lawyers,[14] in 2007, lawyers acting for Öcalan, claimed to have produced results from laboratory tests on his hair which appeared to show high levels of toxic metals. The Turkish government has sent a medical team to the imprisoned Kurdish separatist leader amid these claims and the tests proved that no indication of toxins or abnormality was found.[15][16] A ministry statement suggested the lawyers were trying to revive international interest in their client after the Council of Europe ruled the previous month that the rebel leader was not entitled to a retrial.


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Love to hear all the excuses in the world by the Socialists. A Socialist Kurd, who was absolutely ass raping the Turks, and what do our Greek Socialist friends do, hand him over to the Turks. Welldone dickheads.
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This was done by Simitis, not Papandreou. Simitis is a Liberal Socialist, aka Blair.

This is the same person who tried to dismantle N17, the only Greek terrorist organisation who actively killed Turks of military ranking in Greece.

And as for the Karamalis, did you know what he said?

This:

Main opposition leader Costas Karamanlis said on Sunday he could not believe claims by an associate of captured Kurd rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan that Greece handed him over to Turkey.

Source http://www.hri.org/news/greek/apeen/1999/99-02-28.apeen.html

And yet, with these allegations, no concrete proof has ever surfaced implicating Greece.


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post Jun 16 2007, 06:16 PM
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Can you really blame any Greek for handing him over considering Kurds played a huge role in the genocide against Armenians, Pontic Greeks and Assyrians?
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post Jun 16 2007, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(Minimalistix @ Jun 16 2007, 11:14 AM) [snapback]98986[/snapback]



Love to hear all the excuses in the world by the Socialists. A Socialist Kurd, who was absolutely ass raping the Turks, and what do our Greek Socialist friends do, hand him over to the Turks. Welldone dickheads.



QUOTE(Minimalistix @ Jun 16 2007, 06:16 PM) [snapback]99006[/snapback]

Can you really blame any Greek for handing him over considering Kurds played a huge role in the genocide against Armenians, Pontic Greeks and Assyrians?


First you call them dickheads, and now your not blaming them? You totally lost me. Which one of the two do you agree on Mini.


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Yeah it was a mistake in me calling Socialists Greeks in the first place.
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post Jun 17 2007, 01:20 AM
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QUOTE(Minimalistix @ Jun 16 2007, 06:49 PM) [snapback]99008[/snapback]

Yeah it was a mistake in me calling Socialists Greeks in the first place.



You should spend some time in the Junta of the late 60's in Greece.

Dont give me shit about Socialist's not being Greek because you think we are not Nationalists, just look at ND and how much FYROM is getting its way, under PASOK, the only government of Greece to have the balls to close the borders, and FRYOM capitulated.

What have the right wingers done since they got into Office Mini? All talk and no action, and this is the same party that wants the Turks in EU, bravo Mini, you have your priorities all over the place.


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post Jun 17 2007, 11:42 AM
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Long live the PKK and their fight for independence against the Mongols!!!

This post has been edited by greekprince: Jun 17 2007, 11:45 AM


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QUOTE(JIMMYJUMP @ Jun 17 2007, 01:20 AM) [snapback]99035[/snapback]

You should spend some time in the Junta of the late 60's in Greece.

Dont give me shit about Socialist's not being Greek because you think we are not Nationalists, just look at ND and how much FYROM is getting its way, under PASOK, the only government of Greece to have the balls to close the borders, and FRYOM capitulated.

What have the right wingers done since they got into Office Mini? All talk and no action, and this is the same party that wants the Turks in EU, bravo Mini, you have your priorities all over the place.


Liberals aren't right wing. There centre-right.

There is a significant difference.
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post Jun 20 2007, 01:08 AM
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- Socialists backed FYROM as Republic of Macedonia for a long time, and considered Communist-Skops as better people that Greeks fighting for the right factions.

- Right wing parties have never backed them as "RoM".

- ND are bound by the EU constitution and it is disadvantageous to be heavy handed toward the Skops.
The important thing is; 1/ Greece does not recognise them as "RoM" and 2/ Keeps them out of the EU/NATO with their name "RoM"

- Socialists hailed double digit inflation figures for Greeks and Greeks were worse off under their leadership as they continuously burnt money on bad investments that offered no return. They also are responsible for the huge national debt many left zealots blame ND for. ND are trying to fix PASOKs fuck ups now, and are doing a good job of it.

- Socialist tried to deny rights of Greeks to freely practice religion in Greece.

- Socialism as an Economic Theory is shit and a proven failure that creates huge waste, is inefficient and makes all parties worse of in the long run.

- Communism is even worse as it takes out the invisible hand in the market, which is the only redeeming feature in more centralist left socialist parties.

- Socialism is only backed by idiot theorists like Marx.

- Capitalism is backed by numbers, by brilliant minds like Lord Veblin & Adam Smith.

- Socialism and apathy go hand-in-hand. Apathy is the filthiest of all human traits.


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I should find the quote by former Greek Prime Minister Mitsotakis that he made while he was prime minister. It went something like this

"Σε δεκα χρονια θα ξεχαστη το Μακεδονικο"

The biggest vlima in Greek politics together with that malaka Samaras who opened up the borders in 1991 for the kolo Alvanoi


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